tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2799144498932126167.post3483784676853023730..comments2024-02-26T07:02:01.185-05:00Comments on Freedom from the Forbidden: Women as "Hunna" and Men as "Kum": The Quran’s Audienceqrratugaihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986383116815099640noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2799144498932126167.post-35850364785213343132016-07-02T09:33:32.196-04:002016-07-02T09:33:32.196-04:00Salam! Just came across your blog after reading a ...Salam! Just came across your blog after reading a passage from the Quran. I too am finding a very difficult time absorbing this. Its been like 5 years since your blog post, jave you found any answers?? Lol would love to hear from you! <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16854178061823435667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2799144498932126167.post-48020749259247400142016-07-02T09:32:58.692-04:002016-07-02T09:32:58.692-04:00Salam :)
Came across your blog post after googling...Salam :)<br />Came across your blog post after googling this concern myself. Very well written and I must say I too am finding it troubling that the Quran, which is supposed to be written to ALL humans, only seems to address men. Since it has been quite some time since you wrote the post, have you managed to find answers your satisfied with? <br />Would love to hear from you! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2799144498932126167.post-49836962327640109212016-07-02T09:24:32.942-04:002016-07-02T09:24:32.942-04:00Salam! Just came across your blog after reading a ...Salam! Just came across your blog after reading a passage from the Quran. I too am finding a very difficult time absorbing this. Its been like 5 years since your blog post, jave you found any answers?? Lol would love to hear from you! <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16854178061823435667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2799144498932126167.post-28770762968138083172014-09-27T01:38:48.288-04:002014-09-27T01:38:48.288-04:00Thanks for your insight, Anonnie! Agreed that ever...Thanks for your insight, Anonnie! Agreed that everyone seeks different levels and kinds of satisfactions from their religions and faiths.qrratugaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986383116815099640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2799144498932126167.post-88166105292498011972014-09-27T01:37:27.719-04:002014-09-27T01:37:27.719-04:00Thank you for your readership and comment, Anonymo...Thank you for your readership and comment, Anonymous. However, I don't think my "problem" can be solved by what you suggested at all - the Bible, contrary to your opinion, doesn't speak to women directly, either (no religious scripture does), and also contrary to your expectation, the Bible doesn't stand outside of the cultural norms of Jesus's time and place in history qrratugaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986383116815099640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2799144498932126167.post-11816903987394151692014-09-27T00:14:29.104-04:002014-09-27T00:14:29.104-04:00Hi there,
Your problem could be solved very easily...Hi there,<br />Your problem could be solved very easily by switching to Christianity. Unlike in your religion, Jesus DOES speak directly to women in a way that stands completely outside the cultural norms of his time and place in history - unlike Muhammad, whose writings remained mired in the archaic conventions of his own culture, conventions which have now been handed down to you unchanged Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2799144498932126167.post-43966349506383784592012-05-05T02:11:47.104-04:002012-05-05T02:11:47.104-04:00Some rather incoherent thoughts of mine on your an...Some rather incoherent thoughts of mine on your answer.<br /><br />I understand that some people want emotional satisfaction,some want intellectual satisfaction and so on. We have lots of questions and feel dissatisfied if we dont get answers to our questions. There are many things which I don't understand but I always start off that I am wrong in my understanding of Islam. <br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2799144498932126167.post-47608358353472008222012-05-04T00:55:23.019-04:002012-05-04T00:55:23.019-04:00Hello there, anonymous!
Thank you for dropping by ...Hello there, anonymous!<br />Thank you for dropping by and offering your input!<br /><br />Hm... well, what makes this question unimportant in your opinion? I personally don't see any connection between the "why to 7th century Arabia and why not ME/US today?" and "Why does the Qur'an never directly address women?" though I understand your point is that both questions qrratugaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986383116815099640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2799144498932126167.post-42075784380680826952012-05-04T00:42:18.909-04:002012-05-04T00:42:18.909-04:00If I am act as a contrarian, why is this so import...If I am act as a contrarian, why is this so important ? Is'nt this question similar to the question why did Allah send his last revelation to seventh century Arabia ? Why not 7th century South america or India ? Or even today ?<br /> I love tennis for example. I am willing to work hard. Why I am not blessed with talent to be like Roger Federer or a mind like Einstien ? Why did Allah Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2799144498932126167.post-36246442297455051722011-08-23T17:53:57.466-04:002011-08-23T17:53:57.466-04:00Oh, and regarding the word "Qawwam," I h...Oh, and regarding the word "Qawwam," I have a post on this blog on the Qur'anic verse that uses that term in reference to the relationship between women and men. The link to it is: http://qrratugai.blogspot.com/2010/05/challenges-of-quranic-verse-434.html<br /><br />But, of course, none of that has to do with why God *never* talks to women in the Qur'an. Unless, of course, you&#qrratugaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986383116815099640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2799144498932126167.post-14844703448010698372011-08-23T17:51:54.434-04:002011-08-23T17:51:54.434-04:00Hello again, Omar!
While I greatly appreciate your...Hello again, Omar!<br />While I greatly appreciate your post and I agree that women and men are physiologically different (anyone who disagrees would just have to be blind), I can't seem to find the connection between the physical differences between women and men and why God never talks to women in the Qur'an.<br /><br />I've written a lot on differences between the two genders, so qrratugaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986383116815099640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2799144498932126167.post-28813868466319090532011-08-23T15:01:22.767-04:002011-08-23T15:01:22.767-04:00I've been thinking about this topic when a dea...I've been thinking about this topic when a dear friend of mine asked me this question. I started looking about the difference between men and women. The clearest thing that is very obvious between men and women is that men are physically stronger than women. There may be some other differences for sure but I will exclude them for now. Also Women are able to withstand more pain than men do, Omar Abdelalimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2799144498932126167.post-32429506018869578062011-08-21T19:20:17.117-04:002011-08-21T19:20:17.117-04:00Hello, Omar!
Thank you so much for dropping by and...Hello, Omar!<br />Thank you so much for dropping by and sharing your knowledge with us! I'm grateful for your contribution!<br /><br />You see, my question/concern isn't why the Qur'an uses the word "kum" to talk to both women and men. I understand the reason behind that, as it's entirely linguistic, and Arabic isn't the only language that works that way; Spanish is qrratugaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986383116815099640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2799144498932126167.post-19567927152559372232011-08-18T22:39:22.336-04:002011-08-18T22:39:22.336-04:00Thank you for raising up this question. I'm no...Thank you for raising up this question. I'm not an Islamic or Arabic language scholar so I may not have the right answers. But I just wanna share my understanding here. <br /><br />My first language is Arabic and I studied Arabic all my life. In the Arabic language; when u speak to men only, you use the word "kum". Also the same word is to be used when you talk to men and women. In Omar Abdelalimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2799144498932126167.post-39646717637709024782011-01-22T15:54:04.759-05:002011-01-22T15:54:04.759-05:00My understanding is that anything that is not expl...My understanding is that anything that is not explicitly/obviously addressing only men (like the verse you quote about marrying women) is addressing both men and women. I still find it problematic that there are so many verses that address men alone but few (if any?) verses that address women. I chalk it up to the sexism of the time and culture but it does make me wonder if the Qur'an was Zu hu rahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02452221790025925822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2799144498932126167.post-18961321679495391382011-01-22T14:38:05.165-05:002011-01-22T14:38:05.165-05:00Excellent questions, Hina!
Yes, the only thing tha...Excellent questions, Hina!<br />Yes, the only thing that gives away the fact that "kum" = men only is that it says "marry chaste women of the People of the Book," not "chaste people from the People of the Book." And, so, since it's clearly talking to men alone, what reason do I have to believe that the rest of the verses are talking to me, a woman, too? I'm Zufashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17924331713924700659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2799144498932126167.post-76353189725178480112011-01-21T20:27:33.123-05:002011-01-21T20:27:33.123-05:00Yes I remember that verse you quoted once before a...Yes I remember that verse you quoted once before and it got me thinking then as well. <br /><br />It's reasonable to think that "if" Kum is for mankind then all things made lawful to Kum should be men AND women. But point to note is that the words don't say men are allowed to marry "people" of the book, it say's "chaste women" of the book. Now if that Hina Khanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01868369131353035058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2799144498932126167.post-34301269279084093582011-01-21T11:44:58.642-05:002011-01-21T11:44:58.642-05:00I can't deny, though, Hina, that it is most li...I can't deny, though, Hina, that it is most likely the intricacies of the Arabic language -- and most importantly, my own lack of knowledge about the language, which is why I'm studying it and intend to study it for the rest of my life. I'm gonna have to ask my Arabic teachers about this to better understand it, at least in this stage of my query. Later on, I'm sure I'll come qrratugaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986383116815099640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2799144498932126167.post-13214964108627959032011-01-21T10:50:14.059-05:002011-01-21T10:50:14.059-05:00Thank you lots for your insights, ladies! How so g...Thank you lots for your insights, ladies! How so generous of you to share your thoughts! ~hugs~<br /><br />SEPO, glad you found it useful, Jaan! :)<br />Kochaye Jaan, I'll be posting a blog entry some time soon on female prophets and all. I might also write on religion and logic, as the two seem to contradict each other sometimes but I don't think they should and I certainly don't qrratugaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986383116815099640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2799144498932126167.post-47496013571164161772011-01-21T10:04:25.066-05:002011-01-21T10:04:25.066-05:00Very well pointed Nazogai. I'd like to hear a ...Very well pointed Nazogai. I'd like to hear a reasonable answer as well! Though through speculation mayyybe in the Arabic 1400 years ago the word kum was used for all mankind and hunna being specific to females? <br /><br />As in the word mankind itself, its commonly used for men and women, and we dont have the word womenkind used as commonly (yet), though over the years there has been an Hina Khanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01868369131353035058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2799144498932126167.post-46486824268295804742011-01-21T08:08:52.752-05:002011-01-21T08:08:52.752-05:00better question is why we have no women prophet? I...better question is why we have no women prophet? I know the typical answer I get from fellow brothers but sadly it is unscientific at all. <br /><br />The best answer I got once again comes to this,"It is matter of faith and test".<br /><br />You know what there always seem to be more evidence for religions to a productive out of a need for a certain socio-economical benefit for a few Kochaye.Kharabathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13002023124390815503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2799144498932126167.post-79900371466481461782011-01-21T02:19:32.164-05:002011-01-21T02:19:32.164-05:00ONCE AGAIN!insightful!
your posts are teaching me...ONCE AGAIN!insightful!<br /><br />your posts are teaching me so much about islam and your culture in general! :-)SEPOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18165767356704947895noreply@blogger.com